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Peter Nielsen
Australia
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 Posted - 18 May 2005 : 02:23:21
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I refer to my CDC ebook at www.nodrift.com of 10 Volumes (v-y, 0-5) with hyperlinks to numerous papers and slide shows.
Earth's Seafloor Spread from mid-ocean ridges has been globally mapped. Great Science!
But theoretical extension of Seafloor Spread to Continental Drift has never been validated.
Continental Drift is based on evidence which is very much weaker than many imagine, v.3-4.
Continental Drift is contradicted by various meta-morphologies, the origins of which can only be explained in terms of a hemispherically dispersed, super huge cometary impact upon a non-Continental
Drift-ing rocky, oceanic planet.
These meta-morphologies, manifest as river systems, mountain ranges, so-called tectonic plate boundaries and so on are otherwise inexplicable:
Flared antipodal resonances; global bisectional faultlines (globifs); globally ubiquitous ocean-continent rhythmicities; multiscale symmetries and so on.
An extreme planetary-scale flare, w.2, indicates that extreme central and South Pacific Ocean, antipodal Afro-EurAsia genesis and development was largely caused by Globif energisations emanant from extreme West North Atlantic, South American impacts.
Saturn's moon Iapetus's equatorial double ridge is a globif manifestation, caused by polar super huge impact, w.2.
Mars' hemispheric dichotomy is a related phenomenon. So too Earth's ocean-continent rhythmicity, and the Moon's polar depressions, w.2, w.1a.
Mars' Valles Marinaris is explained as an edge segment manifestation of a flared antipodal resonance, w.1a.pps Slides 23-29.
Europa's cylindrical double ridges, bands, surface texture are explained, 2.2.
This ebook's super huge terrestrial impact (THESHI) "inscribed" those morphologies over a period of weeks, mostly in the first 7 days, as global shock wave interference patterned fracture-melt.
The whole, thus-inscribed planetary surface was "Freeze Effect"-ed to varying extent, depending on depth for oceans, altitude for continental rain, tidal wave, geyser flooding and foam:
Super huge continental flooding and foam for weeks, months, years; Huge continental flooding and foam, for 100s, 10,000s, 1,000,000s of years.
Earth's Impact Hemisphere (IH), antipodal Africa (AA), & Intermediate Region (IR) correlate with the New World/Oceania, Original World, & Old World, respectively, and the distribution of Yellow, Black, & White coarse race categories respectively, before an ~500 year period of world colonisation which has been undoing these strong, probably causal associations.
The simplest explanation of the correlations is that Black peoples became White, Yellow as they migrated from Africa into Europe-West Asia, East Asia and beyond, due to diffusive enrichment of White, Yellow characteristics in IR, IH regions, respectively; Old World, New World qualities, values in IR, IH regions, respectively, Vol 5 paper 1.
IH- and IR- extensions maximize racial, religious, historical correlations with IH, IR, AA regions.
Super huge impact may be the ultimate determinant of how civilisations evolve on rocky planets with ocean-continent surfaces, how they globalise and so on, at least for starters . . . the contemporary situation on Earth, apparently . . .
Peter Nielsen
Email: uusi@hotkey.net.au
Ph: 613 6223 5139
Post: 12 View St, Sandy Bay 7005, Australia
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Peter Nielsen
Australia
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Posted - 08 Jan 2006 : 20:26:04
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I've added a prequel today that better summarises www.nodrift.com content:
Earth's surface features have been "inscribed" as faultlines by huge, super huge impacts, subsequently depressed and/or uplifted along these faultlines in a competition between watery "Freeze Effect" and magmatism, volcanism energised by impact, the "melt" of impact "fracture-melt", and radio-active heating, as ocean basins, channels, river systems and so on, mountain ranges, mountains, half-domes, hills and so on.
Impact shock wave "inscriptions" are manifestations of shock wave interference pattern fringes. These are globally distributed in cases of super huge impact. The most energetic such fringes bisect clusters of circular forms I call "SERMs" (Supercrater Etalon Resonance Manifestations), which impacts ubiquitously produce on rocky planetary surfaces, most emphatically on non-oceanic rocky planets such as the Moon, as "craters", actually sermed excavations.
The uncratered look of the Earth is largely due to the effect of Earth's oceans on serm cluster bisectional faultlines. It has nothing to do with Continental Drift, which this ebook contradicts and is theoretically and experimentally unproved.
Both "Freeze Effect" AND magmatism and volcanism develop faultlines in proportion to inscriptional energisation, while serm cluster bisectional faultlines are both maximally energised AND generally uncircular, except for the largest, global bisectional faultlines. These follow great circles midway between super huge impacts and their antipodes, most obviously on Saturn's moon Iapetus,
as the equatorial double ridge which makes it look like a "walnut", w.2. |
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Jim
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Posted - 10 Jan 2006 : 19:07:40
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| How do you explain the fact there are no gaps between the continents? They fix together like a jigsaw puzzle and if impacts caused the spacing between the land masses there would be gaps where the ocean waters are. The fact that land mass moves on top of a liquid magna makes a lot more sense than impact cratering. The continents move because force is applied at the mid-ocean ridge which is seafloor spreading. This is measured fairly well and is not some wild theory. |
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Peter Nielsen
Australia
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 01:43:03
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Thanks Jim, Yes, as you wrote, "seafloor spreading . . . is measured fairly well and is not some wild theory". I have always accepted seafloor spread. Indeed, my theory almost starts with a shared enthusiasm about this new science, in 1960.
My disagreement with the geological mainstream, headed in Tasmania by Professor Sam Carey, started when seafloor spreading was theoretically generalised into Continental Drift by Sam and others, because of my prior conviction that Earth's rough polar congruencies and ocean-continent rhythmicity were extremely unlikely to be random coincidences.
I explain seafloor spread as confined to the oceans. It is a property of Earth's oceans due to extreme impact energisation of the oceans, mostly from the last super huge impact. So subduction and stacking processes I call Sea-Ice Effect, akin to what happens to sea-ice, is going on where subsiding seafloors meet continents. It has not been reported yet simply because it has not yet been looked for.
You write: ". . . [There are] no gaps between the continents? They fix together like a jigsaw puzzle . . ." I suppose you are alluding to the fit between South America and Africa, or the components of Gondwanaland . . .
Yes, while I say that none of those continents were ever drifting, and never fitted together, I do say that there are many intriguing congruencies consistent with such fits. But these are also consistent with my subthesis that Earth's continents and oceans were inscribed, during the first 1-2 weeks of the last super huge impact, much as and where we see them today, by a "resonating object", which would have produced such congruencies ubiquitously.
It would also have produced symmetries AND rhythmicities AND antipodal resonances ubiquitously (as indeed it has as I show, corroboratively, at www.nodrift.com ), because it would have been an antipodally resonant, planetary scale shock wave interference pattern degeneracy, 3.1's PIRO-IRO, pretty much where my ebook starts.
You write: ". . . if impacts caused the spacing between the land masses there would be gaps where the ocean waters are . . ."
I am saying that the last super huge impact (my ebook's "Theshi") has produced most of the faultlines and magma we see today as super huge impact "fracture-melt". The impacted hemisphere was orders of magnitude more fractured than the antipodal hemisphere so, Earth being an oceanic planet, this hemisphere was most heavily depressed by watery Freeze Effect, became mostly ocean. East Asia and the Americas were exceptional for various reasons, such as their being continents or shallow seas prior to impact.
Freeze Effect ranges from strongest in ocean deeps to weakest on mountain tops. Continental Freeze Effect has nevertheless been effective in producing relic continental symmetries ubiquitously (as I show, corroboratively, in my ebook slide shows), because of globally super huge tidal waves, super huge geysers during subsequent decades, centuries, millenia, globally huge tidal waves, huge geysers during subsequent millions of years.
Only the Pacific, Arctic and North Atlantic Oceans were directly impact-energised. The Indian Ocean was extremely energised sub-horizontally ahead of central and SW Pacific impactors, antipodally to North American impactors.
The South Atlantic Ocean was similarly indirectly extremely energised, sub-horizontally ahead of Eastern and SE Pacific-South American impactors, antipodally to North American impactors.
South America may have been impact-energised even more energetically than the oceans, consistent with its extreme mineralisation, fastest rising mountains, maximal seafloor spread of its ocean surrounds.
Peripheral Australia may have been indirectly extremely energised, consistent with its extreme mineralisation: sub-horizontally ahead of central Pacific impactors, antipodally to North Atlantic impactors. |
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Peter Nielsen
Australia
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 17:51:57
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Tom wrote: ". . . The fact that land mass moves on top of a liquid magna makes a lot more sense than impact cratering."
Not continents, to many, such as Lowman at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/lowman.htm#sp , who contends ". . . that the very deep roots of continental cratons, which seismotomography has shown to extend to depths of 400 to 600 km, make it impossible for very large continents to drift."
Correction in Yellow to my 3rd last para.: "The South Atlantic Ocean was similarly indirectly extremely energised, sub-horizontally ahead of Eastern and SE Pacific-South American impactors, antipodally to NE Asian, NW Pacific impactors."
Iapetus' equatorial ridge is a key mention in my "prequel" post. It can be seen at: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/multimedia/pia06169.html |
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Peter Nielsen
Australia
183 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 17:56:46
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Correction in Yellow to my last post, 1st para.:
Jim wrote: ". . . The fact that land mass moves on top of a liquid magna makes a lot more sense than impact cratering." |
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Jim
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 18:41:39
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| The thickness of the continental rock is less than fourty miles and it is not drifting around. The continents are lighter than seafloor rocks and are being pushed or forced to move by midocean magna that upwells at a more or less constant rate. The light continents never sink as the seafloor moves and pushes them around. |
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Peter Nielsen
Australia
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 00:30:48
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Jim,
Seismotomography has long been showing that the continents are deep-rooted and not freely floating in the theoretical Standard Model's planetary ocean of magma that you allude to. The continents appear to be stuck, embedded in a mixture of solid and liquid magma, most likely a heavily fractured but solid mantle with magma filling fractures and cavities, lakes, small seas but no oceans, a scenario more consistent with my explanation than Continental Drift, more analogous to Shackleton stuck in the NW Passage than Cook exploring the Southern Seas.
Also, VLBI and other measurements of crustal movements have yet to confirm/contradict Continental Drift. Movements detected so far are consistent with reverberations and other forms of noise, again consistent with my impact "fracture-melt" explanation of surface features, with watery Freeze Effect on oceanic/permafrosted rocky planets . . .
Your resistance to impact explanation is contradicted also by the important fact that the non-oceanic rocky planets are all heavily cratered, consistent again with my explanation . . .
I explain general resistance to impact explanation, especially super huge impact, the most likely producer of landforms, in my ebook's 5.3, 5.4, in terms of the Earth's surface features being generally important as "cultural landscape" AND that dominant cultures are anti-Catastrophist, because societies evolve, and anti-Catastrophism has survival value, hence ultimately, ubiquitous moral authority.
ScienceWorld leaders have always gotten their standing, recognition, prestige, ultimately funding for Science organisations within dominant societies in accordance with those morally authoritative ideologies, as Kuhn has explained. Geologists have for this reason been nodding to anti-catastrophism with their Uniformitarian ideologies/orthodoxies, starting with Lyellian Uniformitarianism ~175 years ago.
"I've no interest in Orthodoxies." --- Norman Mailer, 2006
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Jim
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 12:08:46
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| Deep roots on continental rocks makes no sense from a thermodynanic perspective. The mantle is hot and the rocks making the continents would melt at a uniform depth. There are a lot of errors in the modeling currently done in plate tectonics but overall it makes much more sense than what you have faith in to explain how the surface of Earth got where it is. The continents are light and cold, the mantle is heavy and hot. You are right about the existance of impact craters but they don't explain the facts about seafloor spreading of the perfect fit of all the continents into one land mass way back. How would you apply the evidence assuming you know about it? |
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Peter Nielsen
Australia
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 20:13:30
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Jim, Your ". . . rocks making the continents would melt at a uniform depth" is true only if the mantle is generally molten liquid at that depth, which it is not, as seismotomography shows. It is true that "the continents are light and cold, the mantle is heavy and hot", but this does not mean that the mantle is liquid, just because some of it is. Much of planetary mantles and cores are solid, because increasing pressures with depth raise melting points. This is why planetary core centers are often solid, like the Earth's solid iron center.
You ended with: "How would you apply the evidence assuming you know about it?" A short version, sometimes quoting you:
"Impact craters . . . explain the facts about seafloor spreading" in terms of extreme impact energisations of Earth's oceans. These extreme "fracture-melt" energisations produce plumes raising mid-ocean ridges along ocean "serm" cluster bisectional faultlines ("serbils"). Ridge uplift causes the observed subsidence of seafloors downhill, as observed.
The lineal congruencies implicit in "the perfect fit of all the continents into one land mass way back" are explained in terms of a "multi-Gondwanaland" meaning: A planetary scale resonating object (3.1's PIRO-IRO) echoing around the Earth in a thousand places. If you go to my ebook's Volume 3, paper 1, Fig 1 and look at my 1mm acrylic 1st approximation PIRO-IRO template you will see that it comprises the oceanic continents fitted together in a Gondwanaland-like way, except that they overlap in many places.
I have never believed in a super-continental Gondwanaland. I was close enough to one of its inventors, Sam Carey ~45 years ago, to know that the meta-geological physics intuition involved was very basic. As for the geological matching of stratas across Gondwanaland's "sutures", well that too is easily explained:
Gondwanaland disintegration was an anti-Catastrophist theory with great public imaginative appeal which suited society leaders, as explained in my last post AND it was easy to prove, because of those congruencies AND extreme geological complexities of the oceanic continents allowing strata matching between almost any two regions. The rest is History of the Sociology of Science.
Ironically, those congruencies and complexities which allowed that fiddled strong resistance to impact explanations were produced by super huge impact energisations at or sub-horizontally ahead of and antipodal to impactors, as explained in my 11 Jan. posts.
"I've no interest in Orthodoxies." --- Norman Mailer, 2006
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Peter Nielsen
Australia
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Posted - 15 Jan 2006 : 19:20:30
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Jim, Your ". . . rocks making the continents would melt at a uniform depth" is actually NOT true. It is not what we see in seismotomographs AND it is inconsistent with the fact that latent heat is required to melt anything, while the temperature of the mantle is close to melting point and radioactive heating is thinly distributed and not very powerful.
The mantle has remained a mixture of liquid and solid rock since the last super huge impact just as, and for much the same reason as Arctic Ocean surface waters are a mixture of liquid and solid water.
"I've no interest in Orthodoxies." --- Norman Mailer, 2006
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mafischer
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Posted - 16 Jan 2006 : 20:32:01
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The mantle is primarily solid, as is indicated by its seismic transmission of both transverse (shear) and longitudinal (pressure) waves over long distances. The inner core, which begins at a depth of slightly under 3000km, is liquid, based on its non-transmission of shear waves.
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Peter Nielsen
Australia
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Posted - 17 Jan 2006 : 18:49:34
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Thanks, mafischer. So is it the outer core that's solid, or none of the core? . . .
The above argument about how solid the mantle is is of course not the end of the Continental Drift (CD) argument, because of the longstanding notion in Geology that even the most solid parts of Earth's mantle creeps . . . longstanding since Lord Kelvin, the original proponent of a solid mantle made the grievous mistake of not believing in Deep Time. Hence his solid mantle idea becoming a "baby [thrown out] with the bathwater". |
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Jim
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Posted - 18 Jan 2006 : 17:57:16
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| If the mantle is solid where does lava come from? Lava is a liquid is itt not? and it comes from the mantle so how does lava get liquified if the mantle is solid? It seems to me the mantle is liquid and the data from "S"&"P" wave research is modeled incorrectly as is usually the case with modeling. The models are done wrong. |
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MarkVitrone
USA
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Posted - 18 Jan 2006 : 19:16:43
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Magma is the liquid silicate rock that you are referring to. It is called lava once it is discharged from the earth. Magma exists in the asthenosphere which is border layer between the crust (lithosphere) and mantle. The asthenosphere is sometimes called the upper mantle. Being the least dense portions of the mantle, magma can be solid floating due to bouyancy upon the more solid mantle. Eruptibility completes the conversion to the liquid phase. While under great pressure, the magma is a super-heated solid, take the pressure off due to faulting and the magma melts and quickly rises up through cracks in the more dense lithosphere. The magma may collect in pockets (or magma chambers). The intense heat of the magma then melts volatiles and crust materials which add to its total volume. The amount of magma in the chamber is what is available to become lava in the event of an eruption.
As is the case with many of the post I have read in the last two weeks or so. Folks bash models. The S and P wave model is not the result of a whim. Volumes of research support it. Continental Drift is an evolving process that can be extrapolated. The present day continents could have been predicted before formation, just as future land forms are being predicted now. Subduction zones in the seafloor are also easily incorporated into the general continental drift theories that are currently supported by most geologists. Chain island formation over hotspots (weak crust that leads straight down to the asthenosphere) is also good evidence. Visit Hawaii. They have subduction, tiki torches, hula girls, and pina coladas......
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Jim
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 12:29:41
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| If rocks remain solid as the pressure increases they behave differently than anything else does. There is a thermodynamic point all matter(except your magna/lava rocks) seems to have called the triple point. Most of what has been done in geology is good but the modeling is as bad as any in this field too. The "P""S" data is good but how it is modeled is pathetic do to the fact it needs to ideas such as MV states about the pressure effecting the triple point of matter. |
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Larry Burford
USA
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 12:36:37
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Sorry Jim. Mark nailed it and you muffed it.
As usual.
LB
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MarkVitrone
USA
386 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 17:43:30
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Jim, the triple point is the place where a substance is at the solid, liquid and gaseous states simultaneously as a result of clever manipulations of temperature and pressure. I do not understand what evidence leads you to believe that a bad model exists for this topic. The model does not seem to me to be poor as it allows for some predictions to be made. Predicting THAT a volcano will erupt is easy, a few weeks training allows anyone to take the measurements that allow for this. Predicting WHEN a volcano will erupt is difficult. Making tests of hypotheses is also tricky as it is difficult to hold variables constant. Super computers make this job easier because of the models geologists use. Now, every eruption we observe and record adds to the body of evidence because the geological models are evolving with new observations. Since it is not easy to make a volcano erupt we have to be patient and try to make predictions unhindered by politics and money. Oil drilling and natural gas exploration has also helped us understand these things better.
But listen fellas, who knows, we have drilled very deep and still not reached the mantle so far as I last read. But I do need to come to the defense of the current model of the earth not because it is right but because it is very clever and repeatable, everytime there is an earthquake it is further supported.
As for CD, look at a map, you can see where the bloody continents used to be attached, print off a map of the earth get some round tipped scissors, some elmer's glue and some construction paper. Cut out each continent and island and play puzzle. It is fun and instructional. CD is happening!
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Jim
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Posted - 19 Jan 2006 : 18:52:35
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| MV, I agree with most of this but not the modeling part. As for the triple point-if one were to plot this on a T-S diagram(something I don't think has been done) I think you would see it is a horizonal line from the triple point to the liquid/solid phase change. This line is a temperature and whatever the pressure it remains the same. The shell game is when the liquid/vapor phase gets put in the place where the liquid/solid phase is. It would be a good thing to plot this from data rather than shout about it and if I'm wrong so be it. But, I think these phase changes are solid proof the model is wrong and this will be established someday. There are other lines of reasoning indicating this is so. It is too bad poor models are used to replace thinking in the modern world. |
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Peter Nielsen
Australia
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Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 01:11:24
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I thought the emotive ends of those last two posts were very telling. ~50 years of such global CD enthusiasms explains how the Geology profession has all this time been going so wrong . . . much as similar group enthusiasms have produced all those other unhappy endings: tragic wars; woeful designs by committees, like the Space Shuttle; disintegrated families and other misadventures. Jim was inviting us to think . . .
Think of how CD started, from Atlantic Ocean seafloor spread AND that "fit or misfit" of South America into Africa, with very little further evidence! Extremely seductive? Yes! Scientifically convincing? No!!! I have explained that "fit or misfit" as one of ubiquitous congruencies, corroborative of my idea of super huge impact shock wave interference pattern fringe "inscription" of planetary faultlines.
Think what a big ask it is, that a whole, solid mantle should slowly flow like a liquid, when seismotomography shows that globally, a liquid asthenosphere is patchy and shallower than continental roots, consistent with Seafloor Spread but a contradiction of Continental Drift (CD). Hence Lowman's argument against CD, corroborative of my own similar and other arguments against CD at www.nodrift.com.
I explain Seafloor Spread subsidence in terms of a "Waterslide Effect" in 4.3 page 8. Related "Sea-Ice" and "Gigolo" "Effects" explaining what happens where spreading seafloors collide with stuck/fixed continents, are introduced in 4.4 page 3.
My ebook's CD contradictions started with the important, Meta-Geological Physics idea that Earth's rough polar congruencies and ocean-continent rhythmicity were "extremely unlikely to be random coincidences", developed in Vols 3, 4, Vols 1, 4 Slide Shows.
This idea was subsequently corroborated by other approaches consistent with super huge impact, Volumes v-y, 0-5, yielding globally ubiquitous: "congruencies", antipodal resonances; multiscale symmetries and so on.
"I've no interest in Orthodoxies." --- Norman Mailer, 2006
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Jim
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Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 11:43:13
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| It seems to me you are modeling here and not thinking any more than others doing the same kind of modeling. If your mind is made there is little point in presenting data that indicates the model is just a toy having nothing to do with real events. Nothing wrong with that for sure-its fun. |
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Continental Drift Contradictions (CDC)
